I want to thank ERASMO (a member on pizzamaking.com) for telling me to try the Acme Brand of longhorn style mild white cheddar. This cheese really comes very close to how a Mack’s pie tastes and looks in terms of the cheese. Steve and I tasted the cheese earlier to see how it tastes and now I know if I try another brand of cheese, what this is supposed to taste like. It even melts like Mack’s cheese and is oily, when using this cheese in a Mack's style pizza.
I did change the formula by just one variable. I decreased the IDY to see if there would be less bubbles in the skin. This formula was for a 16" clone style Mack’s pizza.
Flour (100%): 284.64 g | 10.04 oz | 0.63 lbs
Water (55%): 156.55 g | 5.52 oz | 0.35 lbs
IDY (0.25%): 0.71 g | 0.03 oz | 0 lbs | 0.24 tsp | 0.08 tbsp
Salt (2%): 5.69 g | 0.2 oz | 0.01 lbs | 1.02 tsp | 0.34 tbsp
Olive Oil (6%): 17.08 g | 0.6 oz | 0.04 lbs | 3.8 tsp | 1.27 tbsp
Sugar (2%): 5.69 g | 0.2 oz | 0.01 lbs | 1.43 tsp | 0.48 tbsp
Total (165.25%): 470.37 g | 16.59 oz | 1.04 lbs | TF = 0.08252
In my opinion this was the closest attempt to a Mack’s pizza to date, that I achieved.
The funny thing about that Mack’s clone pizza that I made was I had put the pizza in the heated, humidified cabinet, after trying two slices. Two men came up and asked what kind of pizza the Mack’s clone was. I asked them if they ever go to the shore. They said yes, and said the Mack’s clone pizza looked just like a Grotto Pizza they buy in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. They each bought a slice and said it tasted like Grotto’s pizza. I have never tasted Grotto’s pizza, but had to chuckle to myself. I thought O no, not another kind of pizza clone. Of course I had to look up what a Grotto Pizza looked like. Another shore pizza.
http://grottopizza.com/
July 21, 2010
I awoke Pinocchio up early, after I received a reply from Schreiber Foods Inc. He wanted to see what Schreiber Foods had to say about the longhorn style mild white cheddar cheese I purchased at Acme. He didn’t even get dressed or comb his hair, because he was excited to see if this type of cheese could be purchased all over the US. I printed Pinocchio a copy of the email for him to read. He also wants other members or guests to be able to try the same kind of longhorn style white cheddar that ERASMO and I tried.
This is the email where Schreiber Foods responded to me and the same one Pinocchio read.
Hi Norma,
I received your inquiry as to where you might be able to track down the Acme brand longhorn style mild white cheddar cheese. Unfortunately, the product that Schreiber produces that would fit this description is yellow. Eastern Pennsylvania would be the best place to get the white product, but other than that, the ability to get white cheddar across the US is not very good.
If there is anything else I can help you with, please let me know and I would be more than happy to do so.
Thank you.
I am having enough trouble with trying to make something like a Mack's pizza, so I sure didn't want to try another attempt at another pizza business or something like Grotto's. I never even was at their pizza business so I am not sure what their pizza tastes like.
Norma
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Sunday, January 23, 2011
Tom Lehmann's NY style pizza by: Peter (Pete-zza)
In 2004 Peter (Pete-zza) started a thread about Tom Lehmann’s NY style pizza. He then continued on the journey to learn more about making this kind of pizza over many years, with many experiments. This was Peter’s first post in the Tom Lehmann thread at pizzamaking.com
Peter did this EDIT, so people could find different Tom Lehmann NY style pizzas on another thread.
EDIT: For a roadmap/index and a brief summary of all the Lehmann NY style dough recipes on this thread, please see the related thread "Pete-zza's Roadmap to the Lehmann NY Style Recipes" (under "New York Style", at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,1453.0.html
This is what Peter posted.
I recently decided to make a home version of Tom Lehmann's New York style pizza dough using the recipe posted in the recipe bank of the PMQ site.
In the past I have experimented with Tom L.'s recipe on several occasions but usually I departed from his instructions by using a lot less yeast (around 1/8 teaspoon), staging the ingredients in a different sequence, and sometimes even using an autolyse period. And occasionally I would use a food processor. The pizzas usually were quite good with a thin, chewy and leathery crust characteristic of a NY style pizza crust, but I am not sure that by changing the recipe as much as I did I was really making a "real" NY style pizza. So, over the weekend I decided to try to take Tom L.'s recipe and scale it down for home use and follow as closely as possible the instructions he set forth for his recipe. I determined that I wanted to make a single 16-inch pizza, and, using the standard expression W = Pi (i.e., 3.14) x R x R x 0.10, I concluded that I would need a dough ball of around 20 ounces. I also decided to use instant dry yeast, at the lower end of the range recommended by Tom L. (converting from cake yeast to IDY), and the highest hydration percentage recommended by Tom L., about 65%. Adding together all the baker's percents, I calculated that I would need 11.80 ounces of high-gluten flour (KA Sir Lancelot). The final list of ingredients and their amounts came out as follows:
High-gluten flour, 11.80 oz. (about 2 1/2 c.)
Water, 7.70 oz. (about 1 c.) (about 65% hydration)
IDY, 0.20 oz. (1 1/2 t.) [Edit: See Note below]
Salt, 0.20 oz. (3/4 t.)
Olive oil (light), 0.12 oz. (3/4 t.)
Thickness factor (TF) = 0.10
To prepare the dough, I first put the water and the salt in the bowl of my stand mixer and stirred them a bit. I then combined the flour and the IDY and added them all at once to the water in the bowl. Using the paddle attachment, I mixed the ingredients in the bowl for about 2 minutes at #1 (low) speed. At the end of the 2 minutes, the flour was fully taken up into the dough. I then added the olive oil and, continuing to use the paddle attachment, kneaded the oil into the dough at #1 speed for about a minute or two (I found the paddle attachment to be better than using the dough hook as called for in Tom L.'s directions). After the olive oil was fully incorporated into the dough, I switched to the dough hook and continued kneading the dough, at #3 speed (out of 10), until the dough was sufficiently smooth and elastic and capable of passing the windowpane test. This took about 7 minutes. The dough was soft and a little bit damp to the touch--no doubt due to the high hydration percentage--but held together well and was not particularly soggy or sticky. As Tom L.'s recipe calls for, I had adjusted the temperature of the water at the outset to achieve a finished dough temperature of 80-85 degrees F. The dough logged in at 84 degrees F. Its weight was around 20 ounces.
As soon as the dough was done, I oiled it lightly, put it into a plastic bowl, covered the bowl, and put it into the refrigerator. From time to time, I checked the dough while it was in the refrigerator and noted that it tended to rise fairly quickly, expanding by about 50 percent within an hour or two of being put into the refrigerator. After several hours, the dough expansion seemed to peak and stabilize at about double the original volume. I left the dough in the refrigerator for exactly 24 hours, following which I brought it out to room temperature to let it warm up (it was about 52 degrees F at that point and still a little bit damp to the touch but not in need of any flour addition).
Exactly 2 hours later, I shaped the dough into a roughly 16-inch pizza round. The dough was quite extensible with moderate elasticity and was quite easy to work with. If anything, it was a little too extensible and a little too inelastic, making it somewhat difficult to toss the dough once it had been stretched out to about 12 inches. I suspect that this condition was attributable to the high hydration percentage.
It's important to note that Tom L.'s recipe does not specifically call for sugar for those situations where the pizza is to be baked on a deck (or, by extension, on a pizza stone or tiles in a home environment), but allows for the possibility of using sugar for other bake applications (as on screens or disks) where it is unlikely that the dough will come into direct contact with a heat source and prematurely brown. I had decided to use a 16-inch screen in combination with the use of a pizza stone preheated for about 1 hour at the maximum temperature of my oven, about 500-550 degrees F. Under the circumstances, I chose not to use any added sugar in the recipe. Maybe the lack of added sugar can become a problem after a few days, but it didn't seem to be after 24 hours.
Once the pizza was dressed, I baked it on the screen for about 5 minutes, following which I slid the pizza onto the preheated pizza stone for about 2 more minutes to increase the browning on the bottom of the crust. I then removed the pizza from the oven to my cutting board and took the photo shown below (and in the following post). For those who are interested in knowing what was put on the pizza, it included some 6-in-1 tomatoes right out of the can and combined with some crushed, canned San Marzano tomatoes, dried basil and dried oregano, crushed red pepper, sliced deli mozzarella cheese (County Line), provolone slices, pepperoni, partially-cooked hot Italian sausage (removed from their casings), a swig or two of olive oil, fresh basil and freshly-grated Parmigiano-Reggiano cheese (added after baking).
I don't fancy myself an expert on New York style pizza by any means, but this one struck me as exceptional. The crust was chewy and leathery, as I like it, and the rim was light and airy with a lot of large, irregular shaped holes and without being bready tasting. And the rim was huge. I had commented in another thread about how high hydration levels used by ciabatta breads results in large, irregular shaped holes, and this characteristic was apparent in the rim of the pizza I made. In fact, the holes were bigger than in any other pizza I have ever made. I have made Tom L.'s recipe before using a much lower hydration percentage, around 57%, and it did not turn out nearly as well as the one with the 65% hydration. The dough in that experiment was clearly drier and not quite as extensible but with somewhat greater elasticity. As between the two, the one I made yesterday was clearly superior.
(Note: The amount of yeast recited above is more than called for by the basic Lehmann dough recipe, by a factor of about 10. The results will still be good but see later postings below for correction of yeast amount.)
Peter
I could never do the math like Peter does. My math skills are severely lacking, but I can now use the dough calculating tools on the forum to do the numbers for me.
Norma
Pictures of Peter's NY style Lehmann dough pizza.
Peter did this EDIT, so people could find different Tom Lehmann NY style pizzas on another thread.
EDIT: For a roadmap/index and a brief summary of all the Lehmann NY style dough recipes on this thread, please see the related thread "Pete-zza's Roadmap to the Lehmann NY Style Recipes" (under "New York Style", at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,1453.0.html
This is what Peter posted.
I recently decided to make a home version of Tom Lehmann's New York style pizza dough using the recipe posted in the recipe bank of the PMQ site.
In the past I have experimented with Tom L.'s recipe on several occasions but usually I departed from his instructions by using a lot less yeast (around 1/8 teaspoon), staging the ingredients in a different sequence, and sometimes even using an autolyse period. And occasionally I would use a food processor. The pizzas usually were quite good with a thin, chewy and leathery crust characteristic of a NY style pizza crust, but I am not sure that by changing the recipe as much as I did I was really making a "real" NY style pizza. So, over the weekend I decided to try to take Tom L.'s recipe and scale it down for home use and follow as closely as possible the instructions he set forth for his recipe. I determined that I wanted to make a single 16-inch pizza, and, using the standard expression W = Pi (i.e., 3.14) x R x R x 0.10, I concluded that I would need a dough ball of around 20 ounces. I also decided to use instant dry yeast, at the lower end of the range recommended by Tom L. (converting from cake yeast to IDY), and the highest hydration percentage recommended by Tom L., about 65%. Adding together all the baker's percents, I calculated that I would need 11.80 ounces of high-gluten flour (KA Sir Lancelot). The final list of ingredients and their amounts came out as follows:
High-gluten flour, 11.80 oz. (about 2 1/2 c.)
Water, 7.70 oz. (about 1 c.) (about 65% hydration)
IDY, 0.20 oz. (1 1/2 t.) [Edit: See Note below]
Salt, 0.20 oz. (3/4 t.)
Olive oil (light), 0.12 oz. (3/4 t.)
Thickness factor (TF) = 0.10
To prepare the dough, I first put the water and the salt in the bowl of my stand mixer and stirred them a bit. I then combined the flour and the IDY and added them all at once to the water in the bowl. Using the paddle attachment, I mixed the ingredients in the bowl for about 2 minutes at #1 (low) speed. At the end of the 2 minutes, the flour was fully taken up into the dough. I then added the olive oil and, continuing to use the paddle attachment, kneaded the oil into the dough at #1 speed for about a minute or two (I found the paddle attachment to be better than using the dough hook as called for in Tom L.'s directions). After the olive oil was fully incorporated into the dough, I switched to the dough hook and continued kneading the dough, at #3 speed (out of 10), until the dough was sufficiently smooth and elastic and capable of passing the windowpane test. This took about 7 minutes. The dough was soft and a little bit damp to the touch--no doubt due to the high hydration percentage--but held together well and was not particularly soggy or sticky. As Tom L.'s recipe calls for, I had adjusted the temperature of the water at the outset to achieve a finished dough temperature of 80-85 degrees F. The dough logged in at 84 degrees F. Its weight was around 20 ounces.
As soon as the dough was done, I oiled it lightly, put it into a plastic bowl, covered the bowl, and put it into the refrigerator. From time to time, I checked the dough while it was in the refrigerator and noted that it tended to rise fairly quickly, expanding by about 50 percent within an hour or two of being put into the refrigerator. After several hours, the dough expansion seemed to peak and stabilize at about double the original volume. I left the dough in the refrigerator for exactly 24 hours, following which I brought it out to room temperature to let it warm up (it was about 52 degrees F at that point and still a little bit damp to the touch but not in need of any flour addition).
Exactly 2 hours later, I shaped the dough into a roughly 16-inch pizza round. The dough was quite extensible with moderate elasticity and was quite easy to work with. If anything, it was a little too extensible and a little too inelastic, making it somewhat difficult to toss the dough once it had been stretched out to about 12 inches. I suspect that this condition was attributable to the high hydration percentage.
It's important to note that Tom L.'s recipe does not specifically call for sugar for those situations where the pizza is to be baked on a deck (or, by extension, on a pizza stone or tiles in a home environment), but allows for the possibility of using sugar for other bake applications (as on screens or disks) where it is unlikely that the dough will come into direct contact with a heat source and prematurely brown. I had decided to use a 16-inch screen in combination with the use of a pizza stone preheated for about 1 hour at the maximum temperature of my oven, about 500-550 degrees F. Under the circumstances, I chose not to use any added sugar in the recipe. Maybe the lack of added sugar can become a problem after a few days, but it didn't seem to be after 24 hours.
Once the pizza was dressed, I baked it on the screen for about 5 minutes, following which I slid the pizza onto the preheated pizza stone for about 2 more minutes to increase the browning on the bottom of the crust. I then removed the pizza from the oven to my cutting board and took the photo shown below (and in the following post). For those who are interested in knowing what was put on the pizza, it included some 6-in-1 tomatoes right out of the can and combined with some crushed, canned San Marzano tomatoes, dried basil and dried oregano, crushed red pepper, sliced deli mozzarella cheese (County Line), provolone slices, pepperoni, partially-cooked hot Italian sausage (removed from their casings), a swig or two of olive oil, fresh basil and freshly-grated Parmigiano-Reggiano cheese (added after baking).
I don't fancy myself an expert on New York style pizza by any means, but this one struck me as exceptional. The crust was chewy and leathery, as I like it, and the rim was light and airy with a lot of large, irregular shaped holes and without being bready tasting. And the rim was huge. I had commented in another thread about how high hydration levels used by ciabatta breads results in large, irregular shaped holes, and this characteristic was apparent in the rim of the pizza I made. In fact, the holes were bigger than in any other pizza I have ever made. I have made Tom L.'s recipe before using a much lower hydration percentage, around 57%, and it did not turn out nearly as well as the one with the 65% hydration. The dough in that experiment was clearly drier and not quite as extensible but with somewhat greater elasticity. As between the two, the one I made yesterday was clearly superior.
(Note: The amount of yeast recited above is more than called for by the basic Lehmann dough recipe, by a factor of about 10. The results will still be good but see later postings below for correction of yeast amount.)
Peter
I could never do the math like Peter does. My math skills are severely lacking, but I can now use the dough calculating tools on the forum to do the numbers for me.
Norma
Pictures of Peter's NY style Lehmann dough pizza.
Saturday, January 22, 2011
Preferment Lehmann dough using Better for Bread instead of KASL
The preferment Lehmann dough was made with Better for Bread Flour yesterday. I baked the pizza today. I also decided to use the Better for Bread flour since Brian posted about using winter wheat flour at Reply 49 http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,11994.msg123800.html#msg123800 I mixed the amount of poolish for one dough ball which was referenced at Reply 225 http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,9908.msg90226.html#msg90226 The only things different that I did was, I used a smaller amount of IDY in the poolish and a lower amount of IDY in the final dough and also added more water (121 grams) and a little more salt (6grams) to the final dough. I did use a autolyse in the dough of 25 miniutes, before I added the salt and then oil. I stretched and folded the dough ball two times after the final dough mix. The dough ball was left out at room temperature for 2 hrs. before cold fermenting overnight. The dough ball was removed from the refrigerator this morning and stretch and folded 3 more times and left to room temperature ferment for 6 hrs. The dough ball did get many bubbles in the dough ball. The final dough temperature was 77.3 degrees F. The pH of the final dough was 5.97. The pH of the dough ball right before the bake was 5.83. The dough was very soft and easy to open.
The pizza was baked on my pizza stone at around 500 degrees F. The pizza was dressed with my regular pizza sauce, two kinds of mozzarella blended and pepperoni.
Although this pizza didn’t have the airy crust I usually get, the taste of the crust was more tender and did taste much better than using KASL, in my opinion. The crust is also more crunchy than when using KASL. Even at my lower bake temperature in my home oven, this pizza did turn out much better.
This is what I posted in the other thread also to let Brian know I had tried the Better for Bread flour.
Thanks Brian (sfspanky) for telling me about trying Better for Bread flour in a poolish dough. Brian Splangler is the owner of Apizza Scholls
http://www.apizzascholls.com/aboutourpizza.htm
http://www.apizzascholls.com/index.htm
I made the preferment Lehmann dough pizza using GM (Better for Bread flour) at Brian’s (sfspanky’s) recommendation for the Better for Bread flour. I want to thank Brian for suggesting the Better for Bread flour. The pizza was better using Better for Bread flour. Not to clog up this thread too much with my pictures, I will post the other pictures under my Preferment Lehmann dough thread and what I did with the dough at Reply 725 http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,9908.msg124104.html#msg124104
I will have to do more tests on this dough with Better for Bread flour to see if I can get consistent results.
Norma
The pizza was baked on my pizza stone at around 500 degrees F. The pizza was dressed with my regular pizza sauce, two kinds of mozzarella blended and pepperoni.
Although this pizza didn’t have the airy crust I usually get, the taste of the crust was more tender and did taste much better than using KASL, in my opinion. The crust is also more crunchy than when using KASL. Even at my lower bake temperature in my home oven, this pizza did turn out much better.
This is what I posted in the other thread also to let Brian know I had tried the Better for Bread flour.
Thanks Brian (sfspanky) for telling me about trying Better for Bread flour in a poolish dough. Brian Splangler is the owner of Apizza Scholls
http://www.apizzascholls.com/aboutourpizza.htm
http://www.apizzascholls.com/index.htm
I made the preferment Lehmann dough pizza using GM (Better for Bread flour) at Brian’s (sfspanky’s) recommendation for the Better for Bread flour. I want to thank Brian for suggesting the Better for Bread flour. The pizza was better using Better for Bread flour. Not to clog up this thread too much with my pictures, I will post the other pictures under my Preferment Lehmann dough thread and what I did with the dough at Reply 725 http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,9908.msg124104.html#msg124104
I will have to do more tests on this dough with Better for Bread flour to see if I can get consistent results.
Norma
More ideas for a Pizzarium pizza-in-telgia
This is another blog, that the owner said Gabriele Bonci, gave this person, the yeast mother of 80 years old who Gabrielle always uses to make bread.
http://senzapanna.blogspot.com/2006/03/pizzarium.html
This also is an idea from a blog, for a light and airy crust using a poolish, for maybe something like pizza-in-telgia, but this is bread.
http://profumodilievito.blogspot.com/2009/11/ciabatta-con-poolish-e-autolisi-lunga.html
This is also from the same blog I posted in my last post.
http://profumodilievito.blogspot.com/search/label/pizzarium
Also on this blog, http://profumodibiscotti.blogspot.com/ the author said to use this method, of adding water slowly, will also give good rise to also the pizza strip.
Norma
http://senzapanna.blogspot.com/2006/03/pizzarium.html
This also is an idea from a blog, for a light and airy crust using a poolish, for maybe something like pizza-in-telgia, but this is bread.
http://profumodilievito.blogspot.com/2009/11/ciabatta-con-poolish-e-autolisi-lunga.html
This is also from the same blog I posted in my last post.
http://profumodilievito.blogspot.com/search/label/pizzarium
Also on this blog, http://profumodibiscotti.blogspot.com/ the author said to use this method, of adding water slowly, will also give good rise to also the pizza strip.
Norma
This is Pizzarium Facebook page and recipe for pizza-in-teglia
This is Pizzarium Facebook page and recipe for pizza-in-teglia.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=38536769387&v=wall
There are a lot of photos on this link.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=38536769387&v=photos
This is also a blog I found that tells how to make pizza-in-teglia.
http://profumodilievito.blogspot.com/2009/11/la-pizza-in-teglia-croccante.html
Norma
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=38536769387&v=wall
There are a lot of photos on this link.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=38536769387&v=photos
This is also a blog I found that tells how to make pizza-in-teglia.
http://profumodilievito.blogspot.com/2009/11/la-pizza-in-teglia-croccante.html
Norma
Friday, January 21, 2011
WFO Pizza Bake at Steve’s Home 10/15/2010 :)
I was invited to Steve’s home again to make pizza in his WFO 10/24/2010. Steve had made doughs with Caputo flour, cake yeast and had a room temperature ferment for all of his pies. I took the two doughs that I had made with the Ischia/starter mixture.
I still am amazed how quickly a WFO bakes. When Steve started baking the temperature on his IR gun in the middle of the oven was 910 degrees F. As the different pies were baked he added wood. When the last pie was baked the temperature was about 760 degrees F.
These are the pies that were baked at Steve’s home in his WFO.
First video of fire in the WFO. Second video of first pie Steve baked in his WFO, with his dough. I will post the other two videos of my doughs baked in Steve’s WFO, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xkOKz2Cz20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cRWcANE-Uo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y751k9kAbzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA3L1Zc8ppk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJf7t3FchmA
Thanks Steve! :) It's so cold and snowy outside now, it sure would be nice to be able to bake in your WFO.
If anyone wants these formula's for the pies baked that day, let me know.
Norma
I still am amazed how quickly a WFO bakes. When Steve started baking the temperature on his IR gun in the middle of the oven was 910 degrees F. As the different pies were baked he added wood. When the last pie was baked the temperature was about 760 degrees F.
These are the pies that were baked at Steve’s home in his WFO.
First video of fire in the WFO. Second video of first pie Steve baked in his WFO, with his dough. I will post the other two videos of my doughs baked in Steve’s WFO, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xkOKz2Cz20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cRWcANE-Uo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y751k9kAbzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA3L1Zc8ppk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJf7t3FchmA
Thanks Steve! :) It's so cold and snowy outside now, it sure would be nice to be able to bake in your WFO.
If anyone wants these formula's for the pies baked that day, let me know.
Norma
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